capacity_standing meaning

[doconnoronca]

I am working merging by GTFS vehicles.txt proposal with the TIDES vehicles.txt.

In TIDES is the capacity_standing supposed to mean the total capacity including seated and standees or just number of standees?

[jlstpaul]

This is a good question. @lauriemerrell : did this come up in the WMATA implementation?

[lauriemerrell]

It did not, @jlstpaul ! We did not address this directly

[botanize]

The TIDES spec says: "Standing capacity of the vehicle set by the manufacturer" which is a little odd, I think we should clarify.

For what it's worth, we've been publishing a vehicles.txt file in our GTFS feed for at least the last year, we treat standing and seated capacity as mutually exclusive, so you'd add them up to get max vehicle occupancy. These numbers come from our asset management system, so presumably reflect the manufacturer's intent (that standing capacity is exclusive of seated capacity).

[mtnsguy]

Joey, I can add a little to this by describing what we did while I was at Pace. I believe that the APC software for Trapeze TransitMaster required both a seated and standing capacity. If it didn't, then RIDECHECK certainly did. There were three ways that standing capacity could be obtained: 1. From the manufacturer, by particular year and model. This info was incomplete, even by manufacturer and the same model, 2. The way that our main manufacturer calculated this was by taking the square footage of aisle/standing space, and dividing by a fixed number, either two square feet per person or 4 square feet per person (can't remember exactly), 3. Without either of these, we took standing capacity as 50% of seated capacity as an estimate. A little rough field testing showed this to be reasonable. The information went from RIDECHECK to Transit Asset Management, which then later used for vehicles.txt. Hope this helps! James Garner

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[gabriel-korbato]

Most of what I've seen (across about a dozen agencies) talks about the number of seats and the capacity of the vehicle, with capacity, i.e. standing capacity, meaning capacity including people standing.