3D Modeling of burning of porous forest fuels under cone calorimeter #16320
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This isn't a complete input file so no one can run this and see what is happening. You also have not provided the specific outputs that you are plotting. For us to look at this we would need a complete input file. We would then have to add outputs to let us understand what is happening in the particle bed. This is something you should be making the first attempt at. I suggest you first run a virtual TGA and make sure the results look OK. Then suggest you just make one particle and device outputs so you can track what is happening in depth in the particle. |
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&SPEC ID = 'Fuel gas', FORMULA = 'C2.1H6.2O2.2', RADCAL_ID = 'C2H6OH', Does RADCAL_ID='C2H6OH' exist in the list of available inputs in 14.3.1 of the User's Guide? &REAC FUEL = 'Fuel gas', HEAT_OF_COMBUSTION = 19190., SOOT_YIELD=0.02/ The reason you see the temperature spike is the char reaction is exothermic. If the temperature is spiking too high, the solution is not to attempt some ad hoc restriction on temperature which would violate conservation of energy, but rather look to see if changes are needed to your char oxidation reaction. |
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Maybe I missed it in this thread, but please make sure you are using the latest version of FDS. In v6.10.0 we introduced this
The point of this new approach was to deal with surface temperature spikes. |
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I think there are issues with radiation absorption that are affected with multiple particles. @ericvmueller can better answer this. But in the end, this is all research, and at least I cannot just give you an answer without doing the research myself, which I do not have time for. What I can say is that I do not trust the models until they have matched data on TGA, DSC, and MCC, and it does not look like you have compared against all of these. |
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Dear FDS developers,

I am modelling the burning of live and fresh spruce needles in a cone calorimeter, and I am trying to validate the pyrolysis and char oxidation models using the HRRPUA and MLRPUA experimental data. The fuel particles are modelled as cylindrical Lagrangian particles. The porous sample holder (10 cm x 10 cm) with a fuel depth of 3 cm is modelled as a screen with a free area fraction of 0.5. A mesh size of x=5 mm, y=10 mm and z=5 mm is used in the fuel bed region. The kinetic parameters for pyrolysis and char oxidation are estimated using the simplified Arrhenius model available in FDS by fitting the TGA data. The model can therefore predict ignition time and peak HRRPUA and MLRPUA reasonably well. However, a strange, spurious numerical spike was observed at the end of char oxidation (when approximately 10% of the total mass remained), as shown in the attached figure.
During this time, no visible flame is observed. A local high-temperature zone (with T ~ 1450 °C) suddenly forms at the bottom of the sample holder and eventually spreads throughout the fuel bed. The char oxidation model was fitted using a general rate equation with N_s = 1 and n_(O2) = 0.78. This spurious spike was not observed in simulations run without the char oxidation reaction. Attempts were also made to replace the char oxidation model with the surface oxidation model available in FDS, and also running without SCREEN or porous walls. In both cases, the sudden spike at the end of char oxidation was still observed. What could cause this sudden spike? How can it be fixed? Could it be due to a collapse in heat capacity as the remaining particle mass becomes extremely small? The material lines for all the components are given below.
&DUMP DT_RESTART=5.0 /
&SPEC ID = 'WATER VAPOR'/
&SPEC ID = 'CARBON DIOXIDE'/
&SPEC ID='CARBON MONOXIDE'/
&SPEC ID='OXYGEN'/
&SPEC ID = 'Fuel gas', FORMULA = 'C2.1H6.2O2.2', RADCAL_ID = 'C2H6OH',
SIGMALJ = 4.53, EPSILONKLJ = 362.6, PR_GAS = 0.84/
&REAC FUEL = 'Fuel gas', HEAT_OF_COMBUSTION = 19190., SOOT_YIELD=0.02/
REAC FUEL = 'CARBON MONOXIDE', HEAT_OF_COMBUSTION = 10100./
&SURF ID = 'wet vegetation'
MATL_ID = 'dry pine'
COLOR = 'RED'
MOISTURE_FRACTION = 1.128
SURFACE_VOLUME_RATIO = 7272.
LENGTH = 0.09
GEOMETRY ='CYLINDRICAL' /
&PART ID='pine needles', SAMPLING_FACTOR=1, SURF_ID='wet vegetation', PROP_ID='wood image', SHAPE_FACTOR=0.32, QUANTITIES='PARTICLE TEMPERATURE','PARTICLE MASS','PARTICLE DIAMETER', STATIC=.TRUE. /
&INIT ID = 'pine needles init', PART_ID='pine needles', XB=-0.05,0.05,-0.05,0.05,0.1,0.13, N_PARTICLES_PER_CELL=1., MASS_PER_VOLUME=66.66 /
&PROP ID='wood image', SMOKEVIEW_ID='TUBE', SMOKEVIEW_PARAMETERS='L=0.09','D=0.00055' /
&MATL ID = 'MOISTURE'
EMISSIVITY = 0.98
DENSITY = 1000.
CONDUCTIVITY = 0.6
SPECIFIC_HEAT= 4.184
A = 600000.
E = 48200.
N_T=-0.5
NU_SPEC = 1.
SPEC_ID = 'WATER VAPOR'
HEAT_OF_REACTION= 2259. /
&MATL ID = 'dry pine'
EMISSIVITY = 0.933
DENSITY = 510.
CONDUCTIVITY = 0.135
SPECIFIC_HEAT_RAMP = 'd_ramp'
A = 89100.
E = 81460.
NU_MATL(1,1) = 0.4325
MATL_ID(1,1) = 'CHAR'
NU_SPEC(1,1) = 0.5675
SPEC_ID(1,1) = 'Fuel gas'
HEAT_OF_REACTION = 418./
&RAMP ID='d_ramp', T=20., F=1.3 /
&RAMP ID='d_ramp', T=70., F=1.8 /
&RAMP ID='d_ramp', T=120., F=2.3 /
&RAMP ID='d_ramp', T=170., F=2.8 /
&RAMP ID='d_ramp', T=200., F=2.0 /
&RAMP ID='d_ramp', T=500., F=2.0 /
&RAMP ID='d_ramp', T=1800., F=2.0 /
&MATL ID = 'CHAR'
EMISSIVITY = 0.75
DENSITY = 220.575
CONDUCTIVITY = 0.05
SPECIFIC_HEAT_RAMP = 'c_ramp'
A = 361500.
E = 112600.
N_S = 1.2
N_O2 = 0.78
SPEC_ID ='CARBON MONOXIDE','CARBON DIOXIDE','OXYGEN'
NU_SPEC = 0.78,1.82,-1.65
MATL_ID = 'ASH'
NU_MATL = 0.05
HEAT_OF_REACTION= -12000./
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=200., F=0.85 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=300., F=1.08 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=400., F=1.33 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=500., F=1.59 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=600., F=1.87 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=700., F=2.16 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=800., F=2.46 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=900., F=2.77 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1000., F=3.10 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1100., F=3.45 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1200., F=3.81 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1300., F=4.18 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1400., F=4.56 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1500., F=4.96 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1600., F=5.37 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1700., F=5.79 /
&RAMP ID='c_ramp', T=1800., F=6.23 /
&MATL ID = 'ASH'
EMISSIVITY = 0.75
DENSITY = 11.03
CONDUCTIVITY = 0.1
SPECIFIC_HEAT_RAMP = 'a_ramp' /
&RAMP ID='a_ramp', T=200., F=1.09 /
&RAMP ID='a_ramp', T=300., F=1.24 /
&RAMP ID='a_ramp', T=400., F=1.36 /
&RAMP ID='a_ramp', T=500., F=1.45 /
&RAMP ID='a_ramp', T=600., F=1.55 /
&RAMP ID='a_ramp', T=700., F=1.62 /
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